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Nullarbor (demoparty)[edit]

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources (including by searching in Trove). Also, the Nullarbor website had a section for media coverage; many of the sources listed there either aren't reliable, don't provide significant coverage, or aren't independent (media/press releases). A possible alternative to deletion is a redirect to Demoscene#List of demoparties. toweli (talk) 12:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Academic dress of universities in Queensland, Australia[edit]

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While certainly interesting, not encyclopaedic and not notable. WP:NOTDATABASE 5225_C (talk • contributions) 12:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stephanie Cameron[edit]

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Fails WP:NPOL, WP:GNG or WP:BASIC. None of the political positions occupied by this subject is NPOL-passable. Also fails GNG or BASIC generally. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I was hoping to add some more info in a couple hours but won't be able to so I won't contest the deletion. DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 11:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You definitely should be able to make improvements. This nomination doesn’t stop you. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I looked for her and found many people with this name... I put Tasmania in the search box and found very little about her: fails WP:GNG. Also, Deputy-mayors and councillors of themselves are not considered notable according to WP:politician. They need significant press coverage for that— Iadmc ♫^talk 12:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leon Burchill[edit]

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I first saw this article when I was looking at the cast of Stoned Bros.. I prefer the information of this article to be transferred in other websites like IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes.

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Strong delete Fails WP:NACTOR. All his roles minor usually 1 off appearances in TV shows. LibStar (talk) 17:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liam Ayoub[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Lebanese rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 22:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tim Metcalfe (musician)[edit]

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Self-authored Wikipedia about a non-notable musician. Half of the references on the page don't even mention him, and the ones that do only make a single passing mention of his involvement in some non-notable experimental indie band. The only substantial and reliable source I can find talking about him in any depth is this but, other than that, crickets. Elspamo4 (talk) 03:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't see notability in the sources given; what I find are all related to Lufthaus, which I think involves the same person as this AfD. Redirect there might be fine. Oaktree b (talk) 14:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Sunter[edit]

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Don't see how this individual is notable enough for a page, both in the general sense and in the parameters for which clerics are notable. Much of the article is unreferenced, and some of the sources at the bottom are only brief mentions. One actually focuses on the son of the subject. Leonstojka (talk) 23:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Don Bradman with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948[edit]

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Continuing the assault on the Anglo-Australian cricket fanfict. Full of cruft. Duplicated infoboxes. Similar articles have been deleted before, and a large amount are currently almost deleted here. Before voting for merge, remember a lot of these articles is already on the main biography ones. Pharaoh496 (talk) 21:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:

Removed redirects

Pharaoh496 (talk) 21:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural comment Maybe should have taken a little more time--many of the above are redirects which should go to WP:RFD instead. --Finngall ^talk 21:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since its a lot of similar articles, I will wait till they are deleted (if consensus is reached) and then list them there Pharaoh496 (talk) 21:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. I'll repeat what I said at the Neil Harvey (in this tour) AfD, that holds true for each article here: "We have an article about every international match played on this tour; we have an article about the series; one about the Australian team playing the series; and one about the player. Any information that doesn't already belong in those three articles is, IMHO, too much detail to be covered in an encyclopedia: it is also essentially prosified statistics that we're not a database [...] While these articles are clearly a labor of love, at some point we need to recognize that not every incident in a month-long cricket tour is worth incorporating into Wikipedia. It may be the most famous example of an Ashes series, but there's been one approximately every two years for over a century, and it's hard to argue that similar articles could not be written about every player in the more recent ones, relying on online news coverage. Not every verifiable detail is encyclopedic. I'm inclined to believe the international matches, and the tour itself, deserve articles, but it's hard to justify coverage beyond that." Aside: I suggest purging the redirects from the list now, as there will most certainly be procedural back-and-forth that will muddy the waters. Vanamonde93 (talk) 01:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will get to it but I feel that if this discussion goes through theres also no need for the redirects. They are dead weight. Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge all to Australian cricket team in England in 1948 - There is no doubt that the quality of writing in these articles is good and someone (or a few someones) spent a great deal of time. However, the amount of duplicated info across this series of articles is staggering. How everyone in the peer review process failed to come to the obvious conclusion that this is an unnecessary content fork truly boggles my mind. – Pee Jay 10:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously the Ricky Ponting and Mitchell Johnson articles should be merged to their respective tour articles (I missed them at the bottom of the list). – Pee Jay 10:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of content is already in the main articles. Pharaoh496 (talk) 12:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't doubt it. My !vote is a call for any relevant content not already in the main articles to be moved there, and then for these articles to be deleted. – Pee Jay 13:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You specified merge all and didnt mention delete. Also for the peer reviews, they were reviewed in the 2000s. Pharaoh496 (talk) 15:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can't merge AND delete, see Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Christian75 (talk) 08:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural comment 2 - the Keith Miller 1948 article is a featured article and a merge proposal less than two months ago reached a consensus to merge to the main article which has yet to be actioned. A merge discussion regarding the Ricky Ponting 2008 article was started in March 2024 and remains open. JP (Talk) 17:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all. Well written fancruft. Desertarun (talk) 18:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all 5225_C (talk • contributions) 09:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2011 QAFL reserves season[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG: references are all database or WP:ROUTINE coverage by non-independent sources (e.g. the league, the clubs within it, and the online database where scores are entered. This also fails any reasonable 'pub test' of notability: it's a routine season article for a league which itself has no article and – as the reserves league for an already fairly minor competition – would also fail GNG. Aspirex (talk) 07:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What if it was merged into 2011 NEAFL season (with a lot of info taken out)? When the VFA/L reserves existed, for instance, those results were referenced on the main senior season page. These were reserves for 7/17 NEAFL clubs that season Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 09:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Merge makes sense and is fine with me.
SportingFlyer T·C 16:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I would still delete, even after merging any salient points. I don't believe "2011 QAFL reserves season" is a likely search for anyone seeking this information. Aspirex (talk) 05:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm not even convinced individual NEAFL seniors seasons are notable, let alone reserves seasons! – Teratix ₵ 08:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Clearly fails on WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and selective merge to 2011 NEAFL season as a reasonable ATD. Fails GNG and lacks notability as a standalone article. Frank Anchor 14:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can the editors advocating a merger please explain more clearly exactly what material they believe should be merged? Most 2011 NEAFL clubs did not even field teams in this competition. – Teratix ₵ 15:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the prose background about how the QAFL and ACTAFL came together and what happened to the minor grade structures when that occurred is relevant for merge (as long as the equivalent info is added for how it happened in Canberra). That's probably all I'd merge - I'm not sure it would be right to merge any of the results across, that would be like including VFL results on an AFL season page. Aspirex (talk) 20:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nuke From wikipedia, reserve seasons don't even qualify under WP:NSEASONS, you can have some reserve stuff on a top season article, but not an article about a reserve team season, that's just overkill on data for wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 21:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genre b.goode[edit]

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject; the most I've found is just "[...] with the news that the group’s new physical releases will be released through former Shock Records head David Williams’ David Roy Williams Entertainment under TISM’s Genre B. Goode imprint." (1). A redirect to TISM would make sense as an alternative to deletion. toweli (talk) 05:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I started this page with nothing nearly twenty years ago and it appears to have grown not at all since. There aren't even any sources. The most interesting thing about it is the image, in my opinion. -Gohst (talk) 08:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect: to the TISM article as suggested seems fine, that's the only mentions of the label I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 11:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to TISM; clear preferable action, didn't need to come to AfD. Chubbles (talk) 16:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to TISM in case anyone searches for the name, but a separate article or even a merge have no merit because the company gained none of the coverage that is necessary per WP:NCOMPANY. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to TISM per doomsdayer520 or to Shock Records (its one of their sub-labels).shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)11:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sophia McIntyre[edit]

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. The 2 sources provided are primary. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 17:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Only primary sources or trivial coverage available. Fails GNG, NPOL, NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with above comments. This seems to be an easy call. Delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gold Coast Stars F.C.[edit]

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No evidence this club meets the GNG. 'Keep' arguments at the last AfD in 2012 included that it "looks notable" and "think the team is notable", but I was unable to uncover WP:RS on a Google search. According to another unsourced Wikipedia page, the team dissolved in 2012 after a single season. C 679 13:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Couldn't find anything meaningful on the league or the team beyond a Facebook page. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 22:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Zero sources and impossible to WP:V. Svartner (talk) 17:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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MaryEllen Miller[edit]

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. All the sources provided are primary. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 05:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per nomination, I could not find any coverage in reliable sources to establish WP:NBIO. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: agree with nomination and reasons given. Like User:Cocobb8 I could not find supportive WP:RS. Spinifex&Sand (talk) 01:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Catherine Raper[edit]

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. 3 of the 4 sources are primary from her employer. LibStar (talk) 04:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As pointed out, three sources are from employer. The remaining source is an interview. With due consideration to the subtleties of WP:IV I am of the view that the Asia Society interview does not qualify as a WP:RS in the context of determining whether the subject is notable. Spinifex&Sand (talk) 01:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I too have come up empty-handed after searching for sources. I would like to emphasize the nom's point that ambassadors are not inherently notable. Toadspike [Talk] 08:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judaism in Australia[edit]

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Delete. This article is basically a summary verison of History of the Jews in Australia. Both articles are basically talking about the same thing but one is more detailed. The list can be moved to Australian Jews and also incorporated into List of Oceanian Jews. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like this is more of a merge and redirect than an outright deletion case. BD2412 T 23:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BD2412, if that is the best approach, I would agree with merge and redirect. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge with History of the Jews in Australia I agree that the two titles essentially refer to the same topic. Perhaps merging the History and Demographics sections, then keeping the People section and renaming the article to something like "List of notable Jewish Australians" could be on the cards, which can also be section merged from List of Oceanian Jews#Australia. — GMH Melbourne (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge and redirect per the arguments, no strict preference on the title FortunateSons (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ocean & Earth[edit]

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The currently cited sources are company website and company profile on Surfd. Fail WP:ORG Konhume (talk) 18:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete cause the article lacks sufficient reliable sources and verifiable information to establish the company's notability per Wikipedia's guidelines. Additionally, the content appears promotional rather than neutral, which does not align with Wikipedia's standards --Welcome to Pandora (talk) 08:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment here are some sources I found, perhaps still not sufficient for WP:NCORP [1][2][3][4] Broc (talk) 11:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NCORP. LibStar (talk) 17:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VonZipper[edit]

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It appears to be a non-notable eyewear company with no significant coverage in reliable sources. The currently 2 cited sources are either passing mentions, or press releases. Therefore, it fails to meet WP:CORPDEPTH Konhume (talk) 19:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Best I can find are PR-ish product reviews, written by the editors of whatever news outlet it is... [5] this is the best that came up, and it's promotional. Oaktree b (talk) 20:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom. No reliable secondary coverage of the brand. Contributor892z (talk) 02:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FUCM[edit]

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I wasn't able to find any coverage and the article doesn't link to anything that would establish notability. The article was created by User:Bamatfucm, and one of the founders of FUCM is Bam. toweli (talk) 05:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails GNG. I can't believe that an article with poor sources and no inline citations has lasted this long for over 16 years. LibStar (talk) 05:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Only published independent sources I could find were: [6][7] [8], which don't establish notability.

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Delete: Fails WP:NCORP. GMH Melbourne (talk) 08:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ed Craven[edit]

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This article is more about the companies he founded which already have their own articles. His life doesn't appear to meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 00:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Yes the article needs to be rewritten but the subject still meets GNG ([9][10][11][12][13]). GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given that it has been repeatedly confirmed at DRV sources presented during an afd should be ignored and this article should be purely judged on it's current state and should be deleted, unless of course the closing admin chooses to guess what a select few voters just might have possibly been thinking then they can choose to supervote based on their imagination. Don't bother making an effort. Your sources will be ignored. duffbeerforme (talk) 15:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Target of article is notable enough for inclusion. Sources per GMH Melb's comment above. Triplefour (talk) 07:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Duffbeerforme, I don't get your position at all. We always consider sources brought up in an AFD discussion, not just the current state of the article.
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Keep. Agree that it meets notability standards. It is also of public interest and serves the public. I just found this article after seeking information on this individual. Knox490 (talk) 05:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree that Duffbeerforme's assertion (without evidence of any, let alone a pattern) seems at odds with WP:NEXIST (a long-standing part of our notability guideline). To wit, "The current state of the article does not determine notability...Multiple suitable sources that could be cited...Likely notable". But I cannot access most of GMH's links to decide how in-depth and independent of each other they are for this person himself. DMacks (talk) 06:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Hansford[edit]

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Most of the sources are not in-depth or are primary. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 03:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Non-notable bio which only has two sentences about his ministry. The rest is about his education and family background. — Maile (talk) 12:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Notable as an important faith figure in New South Wales’ third biggest Christian denomination. All Moderators of the Uniting Church should be profiled rather than deleting them so we have record of church leadership. hSproulesLane (talk) 10:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No inherent notability in his position. Where are the sources to meet WP:BIO? LibStar (talk) 16:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a well known deletionist LibStar has made his point so I hope he will allow other editors to have their say without harassing them to accept his view of a minimalist version of an online encyclopaedia … please let others contribute without your bullying. SproulesLane (talk) 09:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not bullying, merely pointing out that all biographies need sources to meet WP:BIO, which you have failed to do. LibStar (talk) 18:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve added references from The Sydney Morning Herald, The Guardian, The Northern Daily Leader and the NSW Government indicating his activities in resent years. SproulesLane (talk) 10:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for adding sources. The SMH one is a 1 line mention and not WP:SIGCOV. The NSW government one is him merely making a statement on behalf of the church and also not SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 16:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Guardian article does not establish notability, it is an opinion piece by Hansford and a WP:PRIMARY source. LibStar (talk) 18:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Salman Muqtadir[edit]

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Sources are trivial (included in a list of other youtubers) and non-independent. One significant coverage is about his investigation by the police. No other significant independent secondary source covering his popularity as a content creator. - AlbeitPK (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Most of the sources cover the police investigating him. That is not enough to satisfy WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 17:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: An article that doesn't meet WP:ENT for inclusion on Wikipedia. While I couldn't find any clue in the former AFDs that I still hold deep breath of how it had survived two–three discussions. I am not going to base in any past whatsoever but here is the source analysis and final conclusion. source 1 is a primary source but it verifies the content as used in most of the articles like that per WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. Source 2 is good for sourcing but doesn't support the 'wife marriage'. source 3 is an obvious advert and interview making me suspect the credibility/reliability of source 2. Source 4 is unreliable, and source 5 looks like an advertorial unverifiable publication. Source 6, source 7, and source 8 contributes to a non notable controversy and I call it WP:BLP1E because the said event is not notable for a standalone article. [14] and [15] supports a non notable film and book, hence doesn't meet WP:NACTOR or WP:NAUTHOR. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not a notable person Md Joni Hossain (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Previously I nominated this article for Afd and my view still same. There is no WP:SIGCOV and fails WP:GNG. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article has been improved and more reliable sources are added, such as The Daily Star or Prothom Alo. Popular national reliable newspapers claim that Salman Muqtadir is a popular YouTuber and actor and there are a bunch of sources about him from reliable sites. Although some news are about his marriage or other things but they are published independently about him and declared him as YouTuber, influencer or actor. Therefore GNG has been able to establish. Ontor22 (talk) 12:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Daily star tag link you showed popped paid/sponsored articles [16], [17], [18], and [19]. They doesn't credibly means this article won't met notability later. See WP:LOTSOFSOURCES and know there isn't any amount of sources you add to a non notable person to be notable. On the aspect scene of YouTube, famous people are celebrities bur that doesn't mean try are notable. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Raquel Anderson[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a New Zealand women's rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG. A possible redirect target is New Zealand women's national rugby league team. JTtheOG (talk) 02:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I can't find any sigcov. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 07:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Gray (rugby union)[edit]

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No evidence of SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Triptothecottage (talk) 05:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage to meet GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 07:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as there is no sigcov. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 07:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A few bits and pieces on this one, but not enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clover Park, New Zealand[edit]

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Proposing to merge/redirect to Flat Bush (Most of the area falls under Flat Bush). Not gazetted/included in Auckland Council's official map tool and fails GNG, no sigcov turns up in a search with most results pertaining to a school and one even stating the area is Otara: https://www.google.co.nz/books/edition/Addressing_Pupil_s_Behaviour/UlAAhkusknAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clover+park%22+auckland&pg=PT109&printsec=frontcover Traumnovelle (talk) 01:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom Heyallkatehere (talk) 10:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I admit to not understanding this nom, as a simple search of the NZ Herald brings up over 300 results about the suburb. SportingFlyer T·C 06:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you look at any of the articles? They're all appear to be generic news reports about incidents in the area and do not establish any notability to the place itself. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but those articles clearly define it as a place, Kia Aroha school says it's in Clover Park and not Ōtara, houses are listed as being in Clover Park on house listing websites, it exists in parliamentary debates including a parliamentary grant in 1986... places have some of the lowest notability thresholds on the entire website and I really don't see what's to be gained from deleting a perfectly good article about a place that is literally a point in the generic map box when you view the map, just because of some technicality. SportingFlyer T·C 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The threshold for places is WP:NPLACE. The relevant paragraph is this one:

Populated places without legal recognition are considered on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the GNG. Examples may include subdivisions, business parks, housing developments, informal regions of a state, unofficial neighborhoods, etc. – any of which could be considered notable on a case-by-case basis, given non-trivial coverage by their name in multiple, independent reliable sources. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it.

>it exists in parliamentary debates including a parliamentary grant in 1986...

There are records dating back to the 1800s of some places in my neighbourhood, yet no one outside of my neighbourhood, and even some of them won't know what they are. Simply existing is not grounds for an article and the information would be better off included in the relevant article/articles. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're proposing an area that is clearly defined by the census and is recognised by multiple NZ government entities does not qualify for an article because it's not included in a place names layer on a single website, which again would be an extreme technicality for our most permissive notability standard. SportingFlyer T·C 07:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am suggesting a place which fails WP:GNG and isn't recognised by New Zealand's official gazetteer nor by the regional authorities map tool doesn't qualify for an article. WP:NPLACE explicitly excludes census tracts and if stats nz areas were considered notable we'd have even more stubs with nothing more than demographic information and an infobox. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First, it doesn't fail WP:GNG. Second, you're incorrectly and narrowly assuming legal recognition has to come from being gazetted, when it's clearly a place name which has some sort of legal recognition - the suburb address for the Clover Park Community House is Clover Park, not Flat Bush. SportingFlyer T·C 07:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Show me a source with significant coverage of it.

>you're incorrectly and narrowly assuming legal recognition has to come from being gazetted

It doesn't - it's just one way of being legally recognised.

>the suburb address for the Clover Park Community House is Clover Park

New Zealand Post doesn't define suburb names or boundaries so referring to them is pointless. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, recognised by Statistics New Zealand and the New Zealand Post Office, has Clover Park Community House, has a population of almost 10,000 people. It doesn't make sense to me to lump it in with Flat Bush, which already has a population of 45,000 people. As stated above, relevant news articles are given as occurring in Clover Park. Like most places in New Zealand, Auckland does not have official suburbs, but it does have wards and local boards, so the suggestion of a merge would be more appropriate to Ōtara-Papatoetoe Local Board or Manukau ward, except no one would ever list those as part of their address. The larger body in human terms would be South Auckland.-Gadfium (talk) 01:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Statistical/census areas are not considered for NPLACE due to issues with them. 'Auckland University' is a statistical area for example, but it obviously isn't a suburb/locality. Other areas listed by them include: Botany Junction, Redcastle, Armoy, Middlefield, Savonna, and Baverstock. None of these have articles because they're non-notable areas that aren't gazetted.

Suburbs in Auckland have official recognition via the gazetter or on Auckland Council's geomaps (which is where the Council refers you to for road boundaries and whatnot) Traumnovelle (talk) 02:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not that it necessarily matters, but none of those areas you listed are considered suburbs by either Openstreetmap or Google Maps, which even displays a distinct suburb boundary for Clover Park when you type it in. SportingFlyer T·C 07:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter because those sites use user generated submissions which cannot be used to establish notability. Please read through WP:NPLACE. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm very familiar with NPLACE, I started that sentence with "not that it necessarily matters." I just wanted to note you threw out a number of false equivalencies. SportingFlyer T·C 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because this place has an article which could potentially lead to why user generated sources may have it listed? Traumnovelle (talk) 07:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It wouldn't work that way - a definitional polygon on Google Maps would not be created because of a spurious Wikipedia article, especially in a country where they wouldn't need to use user generated data to be accurate. But again, we're veering away from AfD relevancy... SportingFlyer T·C 07:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, this seems to me to exceed WP:NPLACE as a search turned up a bunch of mentions, including a direct mention in the media by a PM. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 07:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which one of those do you find to be non-trivial coverage? Traumnovelle (talk) 08:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:NPLACE. Non-trivial coverage here for example: [20]. Paora (talk) 11:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angus Fletcher (rugby union)[edit]

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The Stuff article listed as a reference appears to be the only example of WP:SIGCOV for the subject, detailing a junior selection some six years ago. Coverage since consists entirely of databases and routine mentions. At this time does not meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Triptothecottage (talk) 23:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 00:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak delete, as The Press article makes them more notable than a lot of the other rugby players we have had in the past, but still not enough sigcov for GNG. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 07:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete Stuff and The Press articles are a start, and the players career is only really at it's beginning, but probably not enough at this stage to suggest a WP:GNG pass. Could be draftified but not sure enough coverage would occur in the next 6 months for a GNG pass. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mahonri Ngakuru[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a New Zealand rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this transactional announcement. Unless WP:SIGCOV is found, I suggest draftification. JTtheOG (talk) 23:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep Lots of coverage here, although it's very close as to whether it passes WP:GNG or not. Given his career is just starting and he will likely generate further coverage in the future I'd suggest weak keep. Personally wouldn't dratify as I imagine it will just get forgotten about here. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support draft not seeing any independent sigcov. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft / Delete as this individual does not yet seem notable as there is no sigcov. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 07:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand Comic con[edit]

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This article is substantially covered in a subsection of Armageddon Expo, which this article links to in the lede. An uninformed reader may draw the conclusion that this is the article about Armageddon, which it is not. Removing the non-encyclopedic parts of this article would render it a copy of the Armageddon subsection.

This article was nominated for PROD previously but had as far as I can tell only little opposition; the reason was that it was a unique event. MrSeabody (talk) 08:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Pointless WP:FORK created by SPA. Possible merge but there's hardly any worthwhile encyclopedic content not already in Armageddon Expo. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete nothing worth salvaging, it's unencyclopaedic and promotional Traumnovelle (talk) 03:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for same reasons as given above, info is covered in Armageddon. This page should instead be a Redirect to Armageddon. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 07:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May Gilbert[edit]

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Does not meet any of the criteria for WP:ARTIST. Only 1 article links to this. LibStar (talk) 14:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The article has no reliable sources and is essentially an orphan with no article linking to it. This evidence suggests the article does not fall on the notability side. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 15:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not true that the article has no reliable sources: there is a link to the Chch Art Gallery website and also the publication "Ink on Paper". MurielMary (talk) 20:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Her work is in the collections of the Museum of New Zealand and the Christchurch Art Gallery. TheSwamphen (talk) 23:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Would pass artist notability for being in the collections of two museums as shown, but there is a lack of any kind of sourcing... I don't see books, Jstor, Gscholar or a Getty ULAN listing. Even a .nz websearch doesn't turn up much of anything. Oaktree b (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Actually, I do not see that her work is in the Museum of New Zealand. The link leads to a list of photographs taken of her work by the photographer Frank Simon Hofmann. The link to Christchurch Art Gallery describes her as an important member of the contemporary art collective known as the Rutland Group. The Rutland Group does not have an article, however there is a category Category:People associated with the Rutland Group. I am gonna take a minute to look at this topic.^[1]^[2]^[3] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q64864575 Might work as a redirect. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Rutland Group, September 1946". Auckland War Memorial Museum. Retrieved 7 June 2024.
^ "Rutland times revisited - Lifestyle News". NZ Herald. 7 June 2024. Retrieved 7 June 2024.
^ "Art sleuths revive Rutland - Lifestyle News". NZ Herald. 7 June 2024. Retrieved 7 June 2024.

I have created a quick draft on the Rutland Group. I deduce its focus was on printmaking. I do not have access to the book "We learnt to see :Elam's Rutland Group 1935-1958". I hope that the attendees of Wikipedia:Meetup/Christchurch/Ink on Paper meet-up and MurielMary might take a look and see if this is worth pursuing. It is fine with me if this is determined to be non-notable subject. Hoping that New Zealanders can expand it a bit. I am offering it as an alternative to deletion of May Gilbert. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- artist has work in the Christchurch Art Gallery and was profiled in the publication "Ink on Paper". MurielMary (talk) 04:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this artist article was created as part of the Ink on Paper edit-a-thon. The accompanying publication in the references establishes notability. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 07:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Otago NORML[edit]

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Most of the sources are either regional publication (mainly the Otago Daily Times), university newspapers (Critic Te Arohi) and primary-sourced YouTube video. I only see two national sources. The first I can't access, and the second is a mention of a cannabis museum but does not go into detail. ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I'd give the ODT more credit than being a regional publication; it's the major newspaper covering Otago. Yes, that is a region, but you could also argue the same for The Press in Christchurch, and I would also disagree with that thinking. The sustained ODT coverage brings this over the general notability line for me. Schwede 66 07:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the ODT and One News coverage clearly establishes notability imo. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 08:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep While there are not 'more' sources available, but the existing ones establish the subject's notability. For example, the Critic here, establish GNG. Others include Otago Times here among others. --Tumbuka Arch (talk) 08:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Critic Te Ārohi established notability as it is a student newspaper of Otago University. ―Panamitsu (talk) 09:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RSSM applies here: given their local audience and lack of independence from their student body, student media does not contribute to notability for topics related to home institutions — HTGS (talk) 10:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep, agreed with comments above. ODT establishes notability. Student newspapers are prone to inaccuracy and errors but I suppose they might be used in this context. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 09:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (or redirect to NORML New Zealand) as lacking significant non-trivial coverage. I don’t think the ODT is an unreliable source, nor do I think regional papers should be looked down on (technically all of NZ’s printed newspapers are regional), but most of the “coverage” in the article is very sparse, and neither the ODT nor the One News sources represent non-trivial coverage of the org itself, so much as coverage of various events and people where the org was mentioned (per WP:SIGCOV example on Clinton’s high school band). I have the impression the org is currently defunct or inactive. Thanks Panamitsu, I have been meaning to nominate this article for a while. — HTGS (talk) 10:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. None of the discussion of Otago Daily Times is relevant; WP:BRANCH is extremely clear that "the individual chapters of national and international organizations are usually not considered notable enough to warrant a separate article – unless they are substantially discussed by reliable independent sources that extend beyond the chapter's local area." Every source in this article, and every source I could find in a BEFORE search, is either local to the Dunedin area or to the university itself. (The only non-local source is really about Abe Gray and a museum, not sigcov of Otago NORML.) I would encourage other editors and participants here to engage with the WP:BRANCH criteria here, since WP:ORGCRIT establishes a higher standard than WP:GNG for organizations. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/Merge per above Traumnovelle (talk) 04:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The rationale for deletion being presented is that, while this is a subject of multiple pieces of significant, independent, published coverage of presumed reliability, because the newspaper is not "national", this somehow invalidates the source for GNG. This is emphatically not the case. There is no requirement that a source be of national scope, period, end of statement. Carrite (talk) 16:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Under WP:BRANCH, the organization (as a chapter of NORML) must have coverage in news outlets/sources that go beyond its region. That is where the requirement for a source of greater than regional scope is quite clear. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bronwyn Labrum[edit]

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Fails WP:AUTHOR. No inherent notability in the roles she held. LibStar (talk) 19:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep just barely. The Stuff profile and Wanganui Chronicle article establish some notability. I'm not sure if WP:AUTHOR is the only criteria that applies here, as she has been a curator and researcher at multiple museums and universities, most notably Te Papa which is the New Zealand national museum. To me, this establishes notability as an academic. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 08:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How does she meet WP:NACADEMIC? LibStar (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Likely passes AUTHOR as "Ockham New Zealand Book Awards finalist in 2016" per [21] and some book reviews here [22] and [23]. Appears to be a published academic author as well. Oaktree b (talk) 22:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: She also edited this rather comprehensive volume on clothing in NZ [24] Oaktree b (talk) 22:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bronwyn Holloway-Smith[edit]

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Fails WP:ARTIST and WP:AUTHOR. Most of the sources are primary. LibStar (talk) 19:18, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete due to lack of secondary sourcing. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 03:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because the sources do not establish notability as per WP:ARTIST. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 08:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the article needs some work but the subject is definitely notable. TheSwamphen (talk) 10:09, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please explain how the subject meets notability criteria. LibStar (talk) 04:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I went through all of the sources, and don't see how this could meet WP:ARTIST at this time. Elspea756 (talk) 13:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Independent sigcov from 2018 in RNZ, Stuff. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 01:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per coverage mentioned by Hameltion. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in line with WP:ARTIST bullets #3, #4, and even #2:
- "Ghosts in the form of gifts" is the subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews (ref1, ref2)
- "Pioneer City" has won significant critical attention by winning the National Contemporary Art Award (ref1, ref2)
- She is known for her 3D-printing techniques, using the medium to reproduce lost items ("Ghosts in the form of gifts")

CaptainAngus (talk) 01:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Policies and WP's and MOS aside, how can "we" not keep the page of someone who created the title "Ghosts in the form of gifts". Randy Kryn (talk) 03:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep Cleanup needed, new refs indicate that greater notability can be established. Right now, it's borderline from what I can ascertain. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 18:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As well as being an artist and author, Holloway-Smith has also been raising awareness of our 20th century public art as co-director of Public Art Heritage Aotearoa New Zealand supported by the Ministry for Culture and Heritage. I've edited the article to make this aspect of Holloway-Smith's work more visible. In my view, the work across a number of fields is enough to keep. Arnhemcr (talk) 22:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sione Fonua[edit]

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Fan sites and blogs are generally not regarded as reliable sources. Shinadamina (talk) 19:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggest a procedural keep as no rationale for deletion has been presented. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/weak keep There's coverage of his World Cup appearances, and his post playing career in law. I think there's enough here for a keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rugbyfan22 The coverage I see are stats pages and mentions. I do not see any in-depth coverage on the individual which is needed to show notability. If you see such coverage, please post the links. Shinadamina (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 03:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I had a good dig and didn't turn up anything that establishes notability. I have a feeling given his post-rugby career in law and Tongan politics there might be good sources in the Tongan language, but I wasn't able to unearth any. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 08:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There is credible a good impact of this article. Though it doesn't satisfy WP:SIGCOV and the sources were few of database results. I am quite certain that the article individual exists and has been covered in little coverage this, and others. A redirect/draftify should work better here against deletion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As well as his rugby playing career, which included playing in all four of Tonga's matches at the 2003 Rugby World Cup, he became a prominent lawyer in Tonga, serving as president of the Tongan Law Society and as a member of the 2009 Tongan Constitutional and Electoral Commission. He was a founder and president of the Paati Langafonua Tu'uloa (Sustainable Nation-Building Party), and was a candidate in Tongan general elections in 2008, 2010 and 2014. Paora (talk) 11:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It would be a alot easier if the people who wanted to keep the article shared the sources, or even better, added them to and expanded the article. Geschichte (talk) 11:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Expanding on my earlier Keep remarks: Radio New Zealand has a number of stories about Fonua's political activities and role in Tongan Law Society, including: [25], [26], [27], [28]. There would undoubtedly be more extensive and in-depth coverage in Tongan language sources. His role as a founder and president of the Paati Langafonua Tu'uloa and a member of the Constitutional and Electoral Commission are also referred to in Campbell, I. C. (2012), "The Nettle Grasped: Tonga’s New Democracy", The Journal of Pacific History, 47(2), 211–225. Paora (talk) 09:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMHO, the sources offered by User:Paora above are routine political news ("...lawyer-hoping-third-time-lucky...," "...tonga-law-society-says...," "...grassroots-focus-for-tonga-election-candidate...," "...tonga-political-party-believes-king...") and not directly detailing this subject. BusterD (talk) 13:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Perfectly reasonable delete rationale: the only applied sources (blogs and fan sites) do not meet RS. On the merits, there's nothing applied to the page, presented in this process, or found in my reasonable BEFORE which brings this past WP:SPORTSPERSON, which requires at least one reliable source which directly details the subject. Nothing like that in this discussion. BusterD (talk) 22:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletions[edit]

no articles proposed for deletion at this time

for occasional archiving

[Auckland_War-1] "Rutland Group, September 1946". Auckland War Memorial Museum. Retrieved 7 June 2024.

[NZ_Herald2-2] "Rutland times revisited - Lifestyle News". NZ Herald. 7 June 2024. Retrieved 7 June 2024.

[NZ_Herald-3] "Art sleuths revive Rutland - Lifestyle News". NZ Herald. 7 June 2024. Retrieved 7 June 2024.

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