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Football[edit]

Luis Hernández (footballer, born 1992)[edit]

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Potentially fails WP:GNG here. I found him on Transfermarkt and Soccerway but these don't count towards notability. I found some brief mentions in La Brecha, Pasión Rojiblanca and ESPN but none of this can be considered significant coverage. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 17:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yael Pineda[edit]

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A really poorly sourced article on a BLP about a footballer that briefly played in the 2nd tier of Mexico. The best that I could find was Futbol Sapiens, which is not enough to show a WP:GNG pass. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 17:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Dickov[edit]

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Poorly sourced women's footballer. The two independent sources in the article are a trivial mention and an interview with minimal routine coverage. I can't find any WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 07:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 17:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy/procedural keep - this relates to longstanding conflict/disruption related to the history/legacy of the famous Romanian football team 'Steaua București', with two clubs (FCSB and CSA Steaua București) both claiming the heritage. AFD is totally the wrong venue to deal with any perceived issues related to this, FSCB is clearly notable.‎. Giant Snowman 12:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FCSB[edit]

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The information presented here is mostly false. The date the club was founded is wrong, the records are wrong, the history is wrong, former players are wrong, about 80% of the entire article is wrong.

If you go to the club's own website, you find nothing about the information presented here. It says here that Fcsb has 27 domestic titles. When its chairman of the board was asked if this is true, he denied it. https://as.ro/fotbal/liga-1/mihai-stoica-explicatie-total-neasteptata-motivul-pentru-care-numarul-27-va-fi-trecut-pe-tricourile-campioanei-fcsb-398416.html So why keep this article? It makes no sense. Just because there is some wrong information posted on some website? That is the same as fake news. Does Wikipedia support fake news now? TPTB (talk) 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment AfD is not for debating the content. It is to establish WP:notabilty and appropriate WP inclusion/exclusion. Please feel free to correct the info with WP:reliable sources or reframe the AfD proposal. If the sources are geniune and reliable, btw we might need a conversation about how to use them.

FWIW the article appears to be well written and since the club is in Liga I and has always been so and have had major success, I !vote keep and cleanup using better and more reliable sources. If it turns out that these assertions are false then we can reconsider notability— Iadmc ♫^talk 14:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Try the articles in Wikipedia:Fake news to root out sites that are either satirical or disengenuous and read the project pages to get some idea of what we think about Fake News— Iadmc ♫^talk 14:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: this is an invalid and arguably malicious nomination. As can be seen on the talk pages of this article and various others on related entities, there is a long-running legal dispute. The nom is likely to be proved correct that FCSB will be disassociated from most if not all of the historic achievements of the Steaua Bucharest club in due course, but AFAIK this is not definitive at present in terms of reliable sources stating exactly what can be allocated to whom. Regardless, the FCSB entity is an extant sports club (and won the Romanian championship this season just gone) so is unequivocally a valid topic for an article, and would be still valid as a topic as a means of clarification on the events of the past years even if it were dissolved altogether tomorrow. The nom has seemingly lost their patience in this matter and now simply wants to have all the information deleted rather than have contentious information removed by the proper means and processes. Crowsus (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep This is a long-standing content dispute, not a deletion rationale. The same user PRODded the page several years ago. It might be time to consider a topic ban. SportingFlyer T·C 17:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close AfD is absolutely not the right venue for this discussion. User appears to have a partial ban for editing topics related to FCSB. Invalid nomination. Jay eyem (talk) 17:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close – Clearly FCSB inherits the records of FC Steaua Bucharest, being prevented from using the name for bureaucratic reasons. Svartner (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bureaucratic reasons? That's what you call now identity theft? lmao 213.233.104.44 (talk) 11:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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CS Real Succes Stadium[edit]

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Moldovan football stadium fails to meet WP:GNG per WP:NSTADIUM. Available sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs, which makes sense, since it's basically just a soccer field. A 150-seat "stadium" is unlikely to have significant coverage in any language's media. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to the team. The stadium isn't unimportant for a little stadium of its kind - it's hosted independent cups like [1], random friendlies like [2], the veteran's cup [3]. But none of that is SIGCOV, so we should move the photo and the co-ordinates over to the Real Succes page, which is notable but needs content. SportingFlyer T·C 06:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Real Succes Chișinău. Giant Snowman 12:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per Giant Snowman. Svartner (talk) 17:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red Sea Derby[edit]

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This doesn't seem to be a notable football rivalry. The references are generally about the country's relations, not football. Walsh90210 (talk) 00:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Nothing in the article or a Google search does anything to establish these teams as rivalries. All discuss relations between the two countries (unrelated to football), or WP:ROUTINE coverage of the two football teams. Frank Anchor 14:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOSTATS, I've never heard of the Red Sea Derby, and Derby is a very English term. Besides this being just a head to head, I don't even know where the term came from? WP:OR? Govvy (talk) 21:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dean Ebarle[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Filipino men's footballer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 17:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I researched Dean Ebarle, it has some notability, being the defender for a popular football team, im not that much interested in football, so correct me or ping me if im wrong.

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Can you present the sources of your research? Svartner (talk) 17:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2011 QAFL reserves season[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG: references are all database or WP:ROUTINE coverage by non-independent sources (e.g. the league, the clubs within it, and the online database where scores are entered. This also fails any reasonable 'pub test' of notability: it's a routine season article for a league which itself has no article and – as the reserves league for an already fairly minor competition – would also fail GNG. Aspirex (talk) 07:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What if it was merged into 2011 NEAFL season (with a lot of info taken out)? When the VFA/L reserves existed, for instance, those results were referenced on the main senior season page. These were reserves for 7/17 NEAFL clubs that season Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 09:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Merge makes sense and is fine with me.
SportingFlyer T·C 16:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I would still delete, even after merging any salient points. I don't believe "2011 QAFL reserves season" is a likely search for anyone seeking this information. Aspirex (talk) 05:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm not even convinced individual NEAFL seniors seasons are notable, let alone reserves seasons! – Teratix ₵ 08:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Clearly fails on WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and selective merge to 2011 NEAFL season as a reasonable ATD. Fails GNG and lacks notability as a standalone article. Frank Anchor 14:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can the editors advocating a merger please explain more clearly exactly what material they believe should be merged? Most 2011 NEAFL clubs did not even field teams in this competition. – Teratix ₵ 15:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the prose background about how the QAFL and ACTAFL came together and what happened to the minor grade structures when that occurred is relevant for merge (as long as the equivalent info is added for how it happened in Canberra). That's probably all I'd merge - I'm not sure it would be right to merge any of the results across, that would be like including VFL results on an AFL season page. Aspirex (talk) 20:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nuke From wikipedia, reserve seasons don't even qualify under WP:NSEASONS, you can have some reserve stuff on a top season article, but not an article about a reserve team season, that's just overkill on data for wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 21:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Patrick Grogg[edit]

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 21:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Not finding enough to meet WP:SIGCOV and nowhere near enough international experience to stand in for that. Anwegmann (talk) 22:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Two of the sources are linking to the same webpage, the webpage itself is regular for soccer players, making it routine coverage, the other one only slightly mentions the player, therefore indicating no significant coverage. TheNuggeteer (talk) 9:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Maybe a redirect would make sense, but it's not clear which of the teams to target. Better Nuncio (talk) 09:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baris Tasci[edit]

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 19:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Syron Saut[edit]

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 19:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of FIFA Women's World Cup broadcasters[edit]

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Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the small minority of ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS if these are not unsourced or dead links, a big portion of these are WP:PRIMARY and announcments; not helping this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 19:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE don't apply here (this isn't a database and ROUTINE is either about events or specific coverage, and WP:LISTN might be satisfied as FIFA does list them all on their website, though I could not quickly find an article with a list of broadcasters by country, common for Europe. LISTCRUFT is also very close to an "I don't like it" argument. However, there's more at play here - the 2019 and 2023 editions have their own pages. The 2019 one could use a little work but the 2023 one is well done. Removing this page would remove the information for the 2011 and 2015 World Cups, which probably need their own pages. So this probably doesn't need to exist, but we can't do a double merge to non-existent articles. SportingFlyer T·C 21:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
LISTN would not be satisfied if FIFA is the one distributing the details, hence WP:PRIMARY, hence not independent. Conyo14 (talk) 22:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with sourcing from [4] and [5]. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
these two are guide to how to watch, thus WP:NOTGUIDE. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not guide is not about sourcing. Are the publications unreliable? Esolo5002 (talk) 20:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did not say unreliable but these source does not help it to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have not provided a reason for why. WP:NOTGUIDE is about Wikipedia, not about sources. Please provide a different Wikipedia rule. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you looked at the quality of the sources? You think dumping any WP:RANDOM will make it pass notability guidelines. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again the thing you have linked to me talks about accessing a random page on Wikipedia, and talks nothing about sourcing. I would recommend reviewing the links you are sending before pressing reply. I am trying to understand your argument. Esolo5002 (talk) 14:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The nom has been continually nominating articles about previously broadcasted sporting events at AfD using basically WP:IDLI arguments. Sometimes the AfDs are correct on sourcing grounds, sometimes the grounds for deletion are a bit more spurious. SportingFlyer T·C 17:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTATVGUIDE. Govvy (talk) 08:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this article is a mess, but 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup broadcasting rights demonstrates there is substantial and well-sourced coverage on the topic. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gold Coast Stars F.C.[edit]

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No evidence this club meets the GNG. 'Keep' arguments at the last AfD in 2012 included that it "looks notable" and "think the team is notable", but I was unable to uncover WP:RS on a Google search. According to another unsourced Wikipedia page, the team dissolved in 2012 after a single season. C 679 13:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Couldn't find anything meaningful on the league or the team beyond a Facebook page. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 22:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Zero sources and impossible to WP:V. Svartner (talk) 17:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Viktor Vondryska[edit]

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Slovak footballer with 21 minutes in the highest Slovak league. There is no longer a free pass for every player who has featured in less than one match. My search for sources found nothing except for passing mentions and primary sources. Geschichte (talk) 11:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 19:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete—Has something of a track record with professional teams while still a young player. Too old for WP:TOOSOON, I admit, but I've seen some precedent lately, especially for English players, to suggest that this level of professional experience, even at the second-tier level is sufficient to vote keep. Anwegmann (talk) 22:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per sources provided below by JTtheOG. I was on the fence to begin with, but these two sources, one in German and the other in Slovakian, provide more than passing references to this player and seem to be from reliable, independent outlets. Although ultimately a transfer announcement, the first source provides somewhat meaningful coverage of Vondryska's style of play and past experience. The second source is much more substantive and singularly focuses on the player, his experience playing with the Slovakian youth national team, and provides much more than a simple interview. I recognize that this isn't a very strong record, particularly concerning the first source, but it is significant coverage of the player as a player, which is enough to fulfill the minimum requirements of WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 23:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: @GiantSnowman: I think this piece constitutes WP:SIGCOV, even if most is paywalled. There is also a bit here from a quick search. JTtheOG (talk) 21:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the references provided by JTtheOG, which establish notability. Frank Anchor 14:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marek Výbošťok[edit]

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Slovak footballer with 33 minutes in the highest Slovak league. There is no longer a free pass for every player who has featured in less than one match. My search for sources found nothing except for passing mentions, match reports and primary sources, including his own agency. Geschichte (talk) 11:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. I couldn't find anything to keep the page either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 19:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep based on precedent seemingly established here. Although I disagree with this precedent, if three appearances in two seasons in the English fourth-tier and 14 appearances in the English fifth and sixth tiers with some local coverage is enough, 25 appearances in the Slovakian second and third tiers and one appearance in the Slovakian top-tier with a smattering references is also enough. Anwegmann (talk) 22:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Vlček[edit]

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Slovak footballer with 0 minutes (i.e. one substitution in extra time) in the highest Slovak league. Previously kept for meeting a guideline that doesn't exist anymore. There is no longer a free pass for every player who has featured in less than one match. My search for sources found nothing except for passing mentions. Career is no longer ongoing either. There are some unrelated people by the same name. Geschichte (talk) 11:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 19:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete – With only primary sources listed, this article is absolutely unacceptable! ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenry Balobo[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Filipino men's footballer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 07:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Giganto[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Filipino men's footballer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this short piece. JTtheOG (talk) 04:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 19:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Goose SC[edit]

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Very new team in the amateur USL League Two. All my searches brought up mainly schedule announcements from other USL League Two teams. The only substantive coverage I could find was the this local article from 2022. Anwegmann (talk) 23:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Shreveport-Bossier Journal did cover them: [6] [7] [8] However it doesn't look like that is the top newspaper in the city and other newspapers haven't seemed to cover them. Marginal, but not a clear delete. SportingFlyer T·C 02:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would fall under local coverage, which doesn't help toward WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 03:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's absolutely no problem with being local coverage in this situation as long as the source is reliable. SportingFlyer T·C 20:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - You have other sources covering Blue Goose SC, including the USL 2 official website, the NPSL (though not much), and another news website (UndertheRadar NWLA)... not sure if the latter qualifies as 'local' coverage since it covers the entire Northern Louisiana, not just Shreveport - but there seems to be decent news coverage of a semi-professional (not amateur) team that continues to play in a significant [notable] league: USL II. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 14:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My problem with that is league websites are generally not true secondary coverage of a club. The last news website looks like a blog and may not be reliable. SportingFlyer T·C 20:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's the same general issue I have. If it was consensus that league websites were seen as independent of the team and secondary, I wouldn't have nominated the article for deletion. It's certainly not a clear consensus. Anwegmann (talk) 00:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per @Atcovi. Svartner (talk) 19:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 17:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phillip Buffington[edit]

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Played one season in the American third division and otherwise played in amateur leagues. Now coaches at a private high school in Jackson, Mississippi. Several searches brought up a single local mention for the amateur Mississippi Brilla and several local pieces on the success of the team he coaches. He exists and is clearly a decent coach of high schoolers, but this falls well short of WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 00:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: this is a more substantial article than that on college basketball player Blessing Ejiofor, which seems to stand a decent chance of surviving AfD despite a lack of similar information about tournaments and awards, based solely on the existence of interviews and mentions in notable sources. So I expected that there would be at least local news coverage (i.e. independent of school newspapers and athletic sites) of Buffington.

He was not mentioned, as far as I can tell, in the Herald-Dispatch, although it's possible that the online search did not reach back as far as 2005 (it's also possible that the paper's coverage of Marshall soccer was not very extensive back them; it's much more extensive now that Marshall's program has achieved national prominence). I tried to search the Clarion-Ledger for mentions during Buffington's Mississippi College years, but was unable to get the site to finish loading on my ancient computer. A Google News search mainly turned up articles in "Mississippi Scoreboard" about the girls' soccer team that Buffington coaches. There may still be news coverage that I wasn't able to find, but I have my doubts at the moment. P Aculeius (talk) 11:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Found some passing mentions in match reports but not much else here. This subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 17:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: for a sports bio we need "at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject" beyond stats, and I can't find one that's not WP:ROUTINE match coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chad Crandell[edit]

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He played only at amateur level and several searches brought up very, very little of anything, much less WP:SIGCOV. So fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 23:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Keep per sources below which (just) show notability. Giant Snowman 16:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I found [9], [10], [11], [12] among more sources. Player who made 80+ pro USL appearances and defnitley has more offline sources haivng played for years in pre-internet era. Article needs imporvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source 1 doesn't work, sources 2 and 3 fine, source 4 a bit meh. Giant Snowman 16:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There is sufficient non-routine coverage in independent sources to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 01:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of A.D. Isidro Metapan players[edit]

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WP:LISTN is not met here due to a lack of coverage of the subjects as a group. As it stands, this is an indiscriminate list of mostly non-notable people. Let'srun (talk) 03:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It desperately needs an update, but this is another misuse of the term "indiscriminate" in a list deletion discussion - there is crystal clear inclusion criteria. SportingFlyer T·C 02:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep—Likewise falls under WP:NLIST, by my reading. It's not the individuals who are notable. It's the "group or set" at is notable as such. Anwegmann (talk) 04:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet this list only includes a self-selected number of players, many of whom have no article themselves, and has no sources discussing these players as a group. In my opinion, it is much more appropriate to have a category for the notable players who played here. Let'srun (talk) 17:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which is fixable through editing, and nowhere in NLIST does it require sources to discuss the list as a group, since there are several valid reasons for creating lists. SportingFlyer T·C 18:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – a category for the players from this club is enough. Svartner (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Saint George S.C. players[edit]

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No evidence this list of self-selected players meets the WP:LISTN. Let'srun (talk) 20:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Zero notability, a category for the players from this club is enough. Svartner (talk) 22:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is the top football team in Ethiopia, and is well sourced. I fail to see why WP:LISTN doesn't apply here. SportingFlyer T·C 02:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—I tend to agree with SportingFlyer. I'm not sure how this can be see has having "zero notability" if it is the best football team in Ethiopia. It is also universally discussed "as a group or set" by nature, working it into the threshold of WP:NLIST. I think this falls under WP:BIAS to a large degree, as well. Anwegmann (talk) 04:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Dunn (defender)[edit]

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I'm a bit unsure about this one, as he seemed to have a rather robust career, but it was entirely at the non-league, semi-pro level. There doesn't seem to be much of any WP:SIGCOV outside of this local newspaper coverage. I'd like to see what consensus is here, as it feels like a "delete" for me, but I'm curious what others think. Anwegmann (talk) 17:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. Football figures whose playing and manager career is mostly confined to small clubs do not have exact material to support WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of Scarborough F.C. players where he should be added. Giant Snowman 14:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't know, I don't think redirecting to the players article helps, seems to be an important figure for the club in the 1970s and 1980s, first as a player then as a manager. I'd prefer to keep, however if not, suggest a redirect to the club page Scarborough F.C. His name is mentioned four times on the page, twice as player of the year and twice as manager. As the content on the article is sourced, it maybe a good idea to merge some of the content. Deletion doesn't help anyone. Govvy (talk) 10:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think a keep is a bit much for this player, but I'd be totally amenable to a merge or redirect, for sure. Anwegmann (talk) 01:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Morgan Williams (footballer, born 2004)[edit]

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, as everything I could find is either South London local press or directly from club websites. Anwegmann (talk) 17:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - 5 appearances as a professional with ongoing career, there is coverage out there such as this and this, does not need deleting. Giant Snowman 14:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps drafitification? Anwegmann (talk) 20:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the absolute most. Giant Snowman 20:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep per whats on the article, sources above. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 10:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per @GiantSnowman. Svartner (talk) 19:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails GNG. I couldn't find any sigcov of him. The above sources are a routine match report and a routine transfer story. The "ongoing career" argument should officially go the way of NFOOTBALL. Articles are for things that pass GNG now not at some time possibly in the future. Dougal18 (talk) 13:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lorenzo D'Agostini[edit]

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This feels like a prime example of WP:TOOSOON, so I would suggest draftification. There was some coverage of him in Italian press upon his move to Lazio's youth system in 2023, but nothing but match reports appear since then. Anwegmann (talk) 17:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 14:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep has already played pro matches and has significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep – It seems relevant enough to main space, but draftify is also valid. Svartner (talk) 12:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Let'srun (talk) 14:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tomáš Ďurica[edit]

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This is another long-unsourced article of a Slovak men's footballer named Tomáš, whose career is mostly confined to clubs from lower league football clubs as well, before disappearing in 2011. I have searched on Google using a few keywords (e.g. "Tomáš Ďurica futbolista" and "Tomáš Ďurica Žilina"), but couldn't find any in-depth coverage of him that would meet WP:GNG. Best secondary sources I found were interviews from 2003, 2022, and 2023 – the latter two of which are paywalled. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 11:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. "mostly confined to clubs from lower league football" refers to the swansong of his career. The main part of his career took place until 2004 and included a spell in Russia. Seems notable, but it's not that easy finding good stuff. I found some of the same sources you did: [13] [14] [15] [16] A search in Russian would be for Томаш Дюрица. Geschichte (talk) 16:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 14:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources above.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per @Geschichte. Svartner (talk) 19:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zahedan Stadium[edit]

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Merge Fails to meet WP:GNG. Should be included in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahedan#Sports Wikilover3509 (talk) 15:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep AfD is not for merge requests, and I think both of the sources in the article demonstrate notability when translated. I just don't know how to do a WP:BEFORE search for this one, but stadiums of this capacity are generally notable. SportingFlyer T·C 18:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge/redirect to Zahedan#Sports no coverage for its own article. Giant Snowman 16:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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UHO MZF F.C.[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. Coverage and sourcing is just They exist" and champions of two cups of some type. North8000 (talk) 23:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The combined sources already in the article, and including the additional source in the Bahasa article, are exactly the sort of GNG-passing coverage I would expect of a lower division football team. SportingFlyer T·C 18:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like saying that it can't meet the actual GNG (and so IMO is not wp:notable) and so we need a different GNG to make sure that non-notable lower division football teams get in. North8000 (talk) 21:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not happy at the way you've completely mis-represented my keep !vote. The article easily passes GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SportingFlyer: I posted in a way that highlighted what I felt to be issues with your argument. In hindsight, viewing it from another angle, such is a "spun negative" description of your post. I did not intend to do something like that. Please accept my apologies for that. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 00:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per SF. Giant Snowman 16:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The sources in the article only cover the game results, not the subject itself. As a team playing in the lowest division of football, its notability is limited to its region and it's relatively unknown on a national level. IMO, it doesn't meet the GNG. Ckfasdf (talk) 19:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not true. These are not match reports, but rather articles about how the team won the championship, failed in the round of 16, et cetera, and football club notability is not based on whether they're important regionally, internationally, et cetera. They are also covered on an ongoing basis by the newspaper in their local area including sources not currently linked in the article, such as [17]: this is about the competition but the club is clearly the subject of the article. SportingFlyer T·C 23:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a routine coverage. According to WP:SPORTCRIT; Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage. None of reference in the article provide reports beyond routine coverage, such as information about the team itself. Ckfasdf (talk) 02:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Qëndrim Ismajli[edit]

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Seems like a case of WP:TOOSOON as I am struggling to find WP:SIGCOV on this Football Superleague of Kosovo player. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 17:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - subject may be renowned in his home country but the references do not establish this notability. I also performed a search on my own but couldn't find enough evidence or trace of notability. Mevoelo (talk)
Weak keep—The player has had a pretty consistent career lately with a first division team. I think this makes up for a lack of sustained coverage, considering the place in which the player plays. I could, however, just as easily swing the other way. Anwegmann (talk) 22:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note that participation-based athlete criteria were deprecated in 2022. BLPs require strong sourcing. JTtheOG (talk) 21:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. If it's "too soon" we better do this instead of pure deletion. We can redirect it to SC Gjilani or SC Gjilani#Players, I suppose. Better Nuncio (talk) 10:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Florencio Badelic Jr.[edit]

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I'll admit that I'm a bit unsure about this article. There are a lot of citations in the article, but all of them are routine and/or match reports. There seems to be little or no WP:SIGCOV here. Anwegmann (talk) 00:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Decent coverage in local media, even though it is from a not very popular football center, the article seems sufficiently based. Svartner (talk) 19:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree. There seems to be a lot of match reports in the mix, though, and little of substance. That said, I'm still unsure about the article as a whole. Thanks for the vote. Anwegmann (talk) 22:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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